My parents own a mattress that has a memory foam section on top. The thing is, after having it only a few months, it has conformed to each ones shape in the place they sleep and yet in the middle is this huge hump that never goes down.
How could they have avoided this from happening?
Thank you! Julie
All mattresses take a body impression eventually. Memory foam does it quicker. A plush pillowtop?...almost immediately.
The latex topper will retard that process.
For instance, my wife and I have had a Beautyrest mattress for 4 years. With it, we have a 2" soft Talalay Latex topper.
With each of us weighing 225 lbs...the mattress is still in like new condition...thanks to the latex topper.
Your folks can get a latex topper for their mattress. For best results, flip the mattress and then add the topper.
Also, if they have a king size...and I'm betting they do, because the hump up the middle is common...have them rotate the mattress 1/4 turn on a regular basis.
Doing this will allow the mattress to settle more evenly.
Here's the link to the latex toppers...they come in a very nice zippered on cover...free delivery & no sales tax.
Hi Pete, What are your thoughts about the Simmons Black Alexia? Is it a high quality mattress? Someone told me to avoid the "S" brands, is this true? Another higher end mattress I was looking at is Naturepedic EOS. Are you familiar with it? My wife and I are of average height & weight. I like to sleep on my stomach. I live in CA. Thanks, Danny
The appeal of the Alexia is in the triple strand wire coil, which is more than you and your wife need.
The extra firm feel, which is good for a stomach sleeper, can be had with the extra firm World Class Santorini, and at a much lower price.
But, you have to be careful. Most females don't handle an extra firm mattress very well, as it tends to make their hips sore.
All of the "S" brands use memory foam, which is the reason to avoid them.
The individually pocketed coils of the Beautyrest is an important feature, and the memory foam they use is more resilient and less temperature sensitive...which is why we are still carrying Simmons. We used to carry Sealy & S&F, as well. But after they were bought by Tempurpedic, we stopped carrying those lines.
I do have an alternative for you. Natura makes a line called Greenspring, which uses a pocketed coil unit that is made the same as the Simmons, has more coil, and the steel is double tempered. What's more, the upholstery is latex, which is far superior to the other types of foams.
Here is a link to them. A firm model is available and it's very well made.
I am looking for a 2 sided mattress that does not have memory foam in it. What do you have to offer? Also, does the Beautyrest Black have memory foam in it and are they only 1 sided? I need a bed that doesn't allow a lighter person to roll toward a heavier person because they are making a bigger dent in the bed.
We carry a number of 2 sided mattresses. None, of which, have any memory foam in them.
My husband and I are in the market for a mattress. I had an innerspring mattress when we met that was VERY firm due to chronic back pain since I was a kid- I loved it and he said it made him feel like he'd been beat up every night. We moved and got a memory foam mattress-it's junk. I know there are good ones out there but this one has had a valley in the middle since we got it. The problem we are having is my husband is nearly 300 lbs. and I am 135. Every time he moves I move and I spend the whole night playing climb the mountain to get back to my side. I like firm, he likes soft. What should we do? Thanks for your help!
"Firm", for you, is more than a preference, it's a necessity. Hubby will have to deal.
However, we can make dealing with that a whole lot more comfortable.
First off, there isn't a soft mattress made that will hold his weight for long...making that approach, a total and continuous waste of money.
The mattress needs to be firm just to support his size.
Softening the surface of a firm mattress without sacrificing the benefit of that firm support, is easy to do. What's more, the solution is a long term one.
I carry a very well made, firm, two-sided mattress that you can flip. This will add to the longevity.
Top that with a 2" layer of soft latex foam, which is the polar opposite of memory foam....comparing latex, which has been thee absolute best upholstery material for the last 100 years, to memory foam, that has proven itself to be the absolute worst material ever invented for this purpose in its 20 year history,
The mattress is made by Therapedic and is the Keepsake Cameo Firm...shown here:
What is up with this hump that runs up the middle of our king size mattress?
Several months ago, my husband and I decided to treat ourselves to a bigger bed, so we up-sized from a queen to a king.
We're getting a little older and thought the extra room that a king size mattress provided was sooo luxurious.
To add to that extra luxury we were looking for, we opted for an expensive name brand pillowtop mattress, that Consumer Reports recommended.
Now, I wish I had my queen size bed back.
There are body impressions where we sleep and a hump that runs the length of the mattress up the center, which is only slightly visible but way easy to feel.
For the first time in our lives, we are experiencing back pain and we are sleeping hot.
We are not big people. We are more on the slender side of average, which makes this all the more perplexing.
I can't tell you what a huge disappointment this mattress has been. We spent a lot on it and can't afford a new one for a while.
Is there anything we can do about this?
Let me, first, go over the list of mistakes you made with this purchase, so that you don't repeat them when the time comes to buy again.
1) A pillowtop mattress will lose it's shape very quickly. They are such a major problem, that we've eliminated pillowtop models from our website.
Even though we have them available for sale, we will not take an order for one...as it is not good for our customers.
2) Shopping for mattress based on acquiring a "Luxury Feel". The mattress industry is geared to take full advantage of the consumer's propensity to indulge themselves in luxury.
While comfort is important, taking that extra step to "Luxurious" when it comes to a mattress is, by and large, a huge mistake.
A mattress should be though of as a utilitarian product, that provides firm support for your spine and surface comfort for your joints and muscles.
This combination provides the best night's sleep. A luxury mattress provides what you now have...nothing but problems.
3) As of 12 years ago, name brand mattress manufacturer's made the conscience decision to move from offering high quality products to lesser quality products, which would result in more sales, because mattresses would need to be replaced more frequently than the 10 to 20 years they had been lasting. At first, this took the form of making one-sided mattresses instead of the two-sided mattresses they had been making for the several decades prior. Since going one sided, they began using memory foam...in just a few models at first, and not very much, to using it in all their models to the point of using quite a lot of it.
Memory foam produces an initial, very comfortable, luxurious feel that does a great job of making the sale, which it seems, is all anyone cares about these days.
Memory foam is a temperature sensitive material that soften as it warms from your body's heat. Once softened, you sink further into it. As time goes by...and we are talkng about months, not years...you sink further and further into it until you can feel that the memory foam has lost its support and comfort.
This particular product is designed to be deceptive...comfort that makes the sale but doesn't last.
You would think that company using such a crappy product would suffer from all the complaints and the mattresses that would then need to be replaced.
This, is the diabolical thing about memory foam and the industry's subsequent reaction to it. Even though you can feel that it's bad and you sink in so much as to now be uncomfortable to the point of throwing off the alignment of your spine and suffering the back pain that is a consequence of that, when you get off of it, the memory foam returns to its original shape...or close enough that you are highly unlikely to prevail in a warranty claim, which requires there to be a 1.5" sustained impression when no one is one the mattress.
That 1.5" impression is the criteria that had been used for decades when there were no temperature sensitive products, like memory foam. Today, most still use that same 1.5" as a criteria to obtain authorization for exchange, while other mattress manufacturer's have gone to as much as 3".
This has worked out so well for the mattress industry, that all of the name brand manufacturer's have extended their warranties from the 10 years, which had been the standard warranty length for decades, to 20 and 25 years, with some offering a lifetime warranty. This creates the illusion in the consumer's mind that it's must be a better product.
The average consumer fails to realize that the warranties are all but worthless...and that they are being suckered in by that...which is the intent of the name brand manufacturers.
And if you think that all that is bad enough, hold on to your hat, because there's more bad stuff.
Just to add insult to injury, memory foam is also a health hazard. Comprised of 61 different chemicals, memory foam off gasses the toxic chemicals that are included in its make- up....chemicals like Formaldehyde and Benzene....just to name two of many. You can detect this when it's delivered. That horrible smell is more than just that. Those chemicals are airborne and affect living creature in your home, except for the fish. The most common negative side effect is headache. The gasses also attack your respiratory system. It's very bad stuff.
4) The thing that Consumer Reports does not yet understand, is the temperature sensitive nature of memory foam. They have machines that test its pressure sensitivity and the results are good under those conditions. They are not adding heat, as your body does in home use. Their conclusions are all wrong, as a result of this omission.
It was only a few years ago, when Consumer Reports declared that the mattress industry was far too complex for them to understand. Six months later, they published another mattress issue where they interviewed 100 people in Denver, and based their recommendations on those interviews. Since then, they acquired the antiquated machines that they now use to test mattresses. Consumer Reports has become the mattress industry's unwitting accomplice. I find it hard to believe that they are misleading the consumers intentionally. Like they said, the mattress industry in extraordinarily complex and they still don't understand it.
5) The way your mattresses is wearing, with that hump up the center, is the nature of a king size mattress. While, as many others are up-sizing from queen to king, my wife and I are down- sizing from king to queen. The hump in our mattress is only slight, as we have used a latex topper with it from the beginning. Still, meeting in the middle is getting to be a chore and not nearly as much fun as it had been. We are, however, upgrading from an innerspring mattress to an all natural latex mattress....something you should consider when you are ready to replace that mattress. We have ordered and are awaiting a Natura brand Bourdolay model.
That all said, you have a problem that you must deal with.
First, would be to add a thin layer of a medium firm latex foam. Latex is and has been the best upholstery material available for the last 100 years. It won't straighten out your wavy mattress, as it will conform the the shape it has now. It will do two things...provide you with a slightly firmer sleeping surface. Yours is too soft.
It will also absorb much of your body weight, which will retard the further wear of the mattress. For your purposes, I would suggest a 1.5" Dunlop....shown here:
I've just learned that the 20 year warranty of my sagging mattress is null and void.
I just bought this expensive hunk of junk less than a year ago.
Oh, it felt sooo good when we tried it in the store. Shortly after my comfort exchange period had lapsed, it started to show body impressions.
Here it is, almost 11 months after purchase and the body impressions are more than 2" deep. My back is killing me and my wife will finish the job if I don't get this straightened out.
They sent an inspector to look at it and he wasn't here long. If you look at the mattress from the side, you can detect a very slight perspiration stain on each side...something I nor my wife had noticed until he pointed it out. Like I said, it is only slightly visible. He saw it right away and informed me that my warranty would be void due to the stain.
I immediately called my retailer, who told me the same thing and that there was nothing he could do for me, short of selling me another mattress.
After finding your blog and seeing how incredibly knowledgeable you are about mattresses and the mattress industry, I decided to write you to see what trick may be up your sleeve.
Thank you for taking the time. Ralph
If you knew how much time I've spent, over the years, arguing with the customer service people at one mattress manufacturer or another, you'd wonder how I've had time to do anything else.
Each manufacturer's warranty has in it, a "Stain Clause"....and it is as written in stone, as if it were one of the 10 Commandments.
I've had situations where there has been a small dime size stain in a mattress that was nowhere near the affected area...only to be faced with a deaf ear from the service department.
Your case, however, is quite different.
Most of the upholstery in today's mattresses, (memory & poly foams), aren't very good to begin with...as you can attest to from the wear you saw with your mattress.
Introduce moisture to those products, and they break down even more quickly.
Your perspiration stain, along with the spilling of other liquids, is why the stain clause is so carefully written into the warranties.
Refusing to service a mattress with dime size stain in an unaffected area, is the manufacturer's way of getting out of servicing their products, if you ask me.
And believe me, they all will use any excuse, which is why I don't believe is selling the warranty, as I believe them to be all but worthless.
That said, had your mattress been upholstered with all natural latex foam, instead of memory & poly foam, you wouldn't be writing to me today and this would never have been an issue.
All natural foam rubber, does not easily break down when it gets wet.
Your body goes through temperature cycles when you sleep....heating up and cooling off several times during the night.
Mattresses are not cheap. You'll want to protect the next one you buy from the fate your current one has suffered.
You can do that with a waterproof mattress protector.
With those, the problem has been that they cause you to sleep hot. The most popular brand is topped with terrycloth, which sleeps like you've died and gone to hell.
Until recently, it's been impossible to find a waterproof mattress protector that doesn't sleep hot.
Almost 2 years ago, as we were perusing the bi-annual furniture trade show, we came across a Danish company who professed to have such an item...a waterproof mattress protector that sleeps cool. Of course, I didn't believe them...as taking mattress people at their word is almost always a foolish thing to do.
Upon expressing my skepticism, they asks me what size mattress I had at home, they handed me one and told me to take it home and try it. And then said, "We'll see you back here in 6 months for your order"....a display of confidence that seemed more genuine than just the usual BS.
So, we took it home and used it. It was obvious, from the first, that it did, in fact, sleep cool.
It is made of silver infused all natural cotton.
So, for the next 6 months, we put it through its paces, laundry speaking. My wife washed it frequently, twice a week, in hot water and dried on high heat.
Besides sleeping cool, it doesn't shrink...easily fitting over our mattress and latex topper, which measures 15". In fact, it will fit up to 18"....and, it doesn't pop off.
So, if you buy one of these waterproof mattress protectors, you will, never again, suffer the fate you suffered this last time.
Here is a link to those. Delivery anywhere in the US & Canada is free, and there's no sales tax.
I have been reading on your website for weeks now and decided to ask a question. I had an innerspring mattress (1 of many over the years). With a herniated t3 disc I decided to go with a sealy optimum inspiration king mattress. The first two weeks were great for comfort and sleeping but now my back pain is back. So, we are exchanging it for a model using latex. Your site says to get a 2" topper talalay from the site you suggested. Is this still a good suggestion. I liked the smoothness of the inspiration mattress. The salesman said that the latex versio is also a cooler mattress than the memory foam in the inspiration model. I'm so confused after looking at so many sites and mattresses. Is there a better model in a latex line you suggest. I don't want a soft or too hard mattress. I also liked that you can't feel your spouse move or turn too much. Thanks, Pat
We carry 3 brands of latex mattresses, with every one superior in every way to what Sealy makes.
Unfortunately for you, you are stuck with whatever your retailer has to offer. You will not be able to return your mattress for a refund, so that you can buy elsewhere.
Sealy's Optimum Latex line has 3" of synthetic latex that sits on a 7" block of poly foam.
The latex mattresses we carry are made of all natural latex...with no chemicals used in the manufacture of them.
All natural latex it superior to synthetic latex in its durability, as well.
Still, you don't have much of a choice in the matter, and upgrading from memory foam to any kind of latex is a plus for you.
Based on your retailers selection, it's the best you can do.
If you'd like to peruse our latex lines, I'm providing the links. Through us, delivery is free and there's no sales tax.
Of the 3, my favorite, for a variety of reasons, is the Natura brand.
My current mattress is about ten years old, & may or may not be worn out. It has a very expensive adjustable base that is exceptionally heavy. It was hand made by a specialty mattress company in Dallas, Texas about nine or ten years ago, but was not slept on for around three years. It has a mattress topper that seems to be perfectly all right.
My friend has a bed that I tried sleeping on that is much more firm than mine, & it hurts worse than the softer one. I believe that my mattress is too soft, but I believe that the base with the box springs is fine. The sides of the mattress on top of the base to not have enough support on the edges. When I’m awake, it feels like the top mattress on the (around the edges) is leaning towards the floor. I realize that this does not affect how I sleep, but it may be information that is useful to you. As a stop gap measure, I bought a memory foam topper for the harder bed, & although I sink into it, I still wake with pain in my left hip. I moved the same memory foam topper to the softer bed & I felt like I was sinking into a swimming pool.
Memory foam is absolutely worthless....a temperature sensitive material that softens as it warms from the heat your body gives off, allowing you to sink through it.
Latex foam is the original foam rubber, an all natural product that is not temperature sensitive. and will hold you up, not allowing you to sink.
Use a 2" soft Talalay Latex topper for the harder bed, and a 2" Dunlop topper to firm up the softer one, and your problems will be solved.
You've had the right idea, just the wrong materials.
Wish I had seen this column before making our purchase! My wife and I bought a Serta iComfort mattress set.
We have been sleeping on it for approximately 30 days, and after only this short time we have to returned it (she slept good on it, but I have pain in my lower back almost to the point of tears). During this process with a "reputable" retailer in the northeast, we came across a few traditional mattresses, but I felt they were way over-priced (simmons beautyrest legend firm, a S&F, and a Sealy Hybrid). Not knowing how good these mattresses would stand over time, what would your recommendation be? I prefer a firmer mattress (I'm 6', 175 lbs) and my wife says she can sleep on anything (she's 5'5", weight not allowed to be disclosed-but she's light...). I'm also on active duty in the military, so I don't sleep in my own bed 100% of the time-but for the times I do, I want to get the best sleep I can. Thanks for any advice! Eric
Hi Eric, Reputable in quotations. You've either checked with the BBB and your state's attorney general's office and "reputable" is sarcasm...or, you haven't checked. I can't tell. Anyway, the Legend is their "big profit" model...and way over-priced. The Sealy Hybrid isn't something that we recommend spending your hard earned money on.
You'll find that the end result with that mattress will be very similar to your Serta iComfort experience....as both are loaded with lots of memory foam. Sealy/S&F was purchased by Tempurpedic in 2013. The S&F line was changed in 2014 to include lots of their memory foam, as well. In short that are very few mattress on that "Reputable" retailer's floor that is any good...every one has memory foam...and plenty of it.
There is one that is their least objectionable....which is one that we have,as well, and recommend often. However, we always recommend using a soft latex topper with it.
In their store, it's called the Simmons Beautyrest World Class Shakespeare in Luxury Firm. We carry it by the model name "Santorini".
Here a link to that model on our website, so that you'll know what a discounted price on that mattress should be. (Your retailer is the one of thee highest priced retailers in the country)
Add to that, a 2" soft Talalay Latex topper, which will provide long lasting surface comfort, while the mattress provides the firm contouring support your back needs.
You will, both, be very comfortable...and, the mattress will last a lot longer than the manufacturer intended due to the latex topper...which is not only comfortable, but the most resilient material on the planet...the best you can buy for the last 100 years.
Here is a link to the latex toppers. They come in a very nice cover. Delivery is free and there's no sales tax.
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