The Mattress Expert

Which mattress is better?

Dave C of San Francisco, writes:
Which matress is better between these two: Stearns and Foster Carried Away firm pillowtop or Simmons Beautyrest Black Label?
They are both about the same price and the same comfort. I have heard good things abot S/F but nothing about the other.

Hi Dave,
They are both an individually pocketed coil unit. The S&F uses 651 (queen count), double coil...a coil within a coil. The Simmons uses an 880 coil unit with every other row being a cable coil. The cable coil is three strands of wire wrapped around each other.
The steel for the S&F coils, is double tempered, once oven/oncew electrically. The steel for the Simmons coils is not tempered, but a higher carbon steel.
The Black Series, is Simmons' strongest unit. The Estate Collection is S&F's strongest unit.
I doubt if you could go wrong either way. It'll come down to personal comfort.
The only thing I would caution you against, is getting a pillowtop. The tigh tops keep there shape better.

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Lon of Harrisonville:
My wife and I have slept on a foam and water waterbed for the last 15 years. It has sprung a leak and we have to get a new mattress. She is around 120 lbs and likes the soft feel of the waterbed. I am around 175 lbs, and while I like the soft feel of the waterbed, I have a bad lower back and need some support. I have a chance to buy a New Simmons King Size World Class Rozelle Mattress at a fairly good discount. I have read that this mattress has a soft feel, but also offers some support. Would this mattress be a good balance?
 
Hi Lon. Each of the Simmons models is available with a thinner coil and a heavier one. I suggest yours, has the heavier coil. Even so, that heavier coil is available with a plush top. It's designated as a plush/firm.

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Help with buying a mattress

Allison of Newport Beach, CA, writes:
Hi - Your advice is really great! Thanks! I decided to write for my specific mattress challenge. My husband is 220 lbs 6' 0" and I am 105 lbs 5' 0" tall. Currently the mattress we sleep on is old (over 10 years) and it has a hump in the middle. I am literally in pain every morning we wake up with lower back pain and neck pain. I do not sleep and toss and turn every night. As you can imagine, awful for both me and my husband. He sleeps just fine unless I wake him up thrashing around. So we are looking for a new mattress. I was convinced (because of your blog) that we should get the Sealy Posturpedic Firm Reserve 7 or 9. But then my husband found a Simmons Beautyrest comfortable and was sold on the pocketed coils concept?? Can you offer any advice between the Sealy and the Simmons and what would be better for our situation? Thank you!

Hi Allison. The individually pocketed coil has been around since the 1920s. The big advantage is the motion reduction and the contouring support that system provides. Unlike other brands, that vary the density of the padding to change the feel, Simmons changes the gauge of wire. Each model is available in a firm or a plush. The firm uses a much heavier gauge of wire than the plush. This will be important for a large man. Simmons has 4 series in their Beautyrest line. The Black Series is their best. The NxG Series is another one to try. Both are very nice.

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S&F or Beautyrest Black mattress

Beth J. of Seattle, writes:
Thanks for the helpful information. We've now steered away from pillowtops altogether (phew!) and are looking for something somewhat firm but with some give as we are both side sleepers. I'm 5'2" 125lbs and my husband is 5'10" 190lbs. Our short list - based on visits to Macys and SleepCounty - is either the S&F Estate Monet's Garden Luxury Firm or the Beautyrest Black Angelique or Antonia in Plush. Which one do you recommend and what is your version of the Monet? Are there others we should consider? Should I care if one has double tempered coils and the other does not? I'm also afraid of getting something that feels good in the showroom that will compress quickly versus something that feels a bit firm in showroom that I'll have to top afterwards to make soft. Help!

Hi Beth. The cable coils in the Simmons Black line are the strongest they make. The S&F coils are also strong. It's the padding, more than anything, that determines the feel of the mattress. It's in knowing what that padding is, that will help you avoid a problem later. Memory foam is used in many mattresses and is major problem in the short term....especially when used near the surface.
The Monet's Garden, (our Kimberly), uses an inch of memory foam, but it's just above the coils and not near the surface. The next level up, their Carried Away...our Lucas Park, uses latex instead of memory foam and also comes in a luxury firm.
The Simmons Black Antonia uses latex. The Angelique, seems to be a World Class model...not from the Black line and uses memory foam near the top.

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I need a twin mattress

shena of new hyde park, writes:
I need a twin mattress and sleep on a daybed. I currently own a Tempurpedic, which I found too be way too hard and caused a lot of back and neck pain. I bought a 2" memory foam topper 4lb density, which helped for a while but is getting softer and I still get some lower back pain. I have problems with neck, hip, and lower back pain. stats 5'4", 185lbs, female.
I had gone to a store and purchased a Kingsdown, but cancelled my order when I read some reviews. I had gotten an executive on the phone who suggested Sealy posturepedic harbor house, which I haven't yet tried. I had tried the Sealy Signature South Court plush, and found it ok, but found the cushion firm didn't support my lower back as well.
I had tried a S&F but don't remember the name. The exec told me that Simmons and S&F don't temper their coils, which made me not consider both brands. Is that true of all the models or just some?
I found the plush models of different mattress the closest in comfort but with some lower back uncomfortness. From some of the mattresses I tried I think the pocketed coil system felt more supportive, but it was difficult to tell if there was any major difference between the S&F and Sealy Posturepedic Signature.I see that you suggest the SP Reserve series. Can you suggest a mattress, and the equivalent names it may be under in stores so I may try it out? Can you also give the specs of your suggestions, i.e. guage wire thickness,coil count, " of mattress height and # of turns, and whether pocketed coils or the intercoiled system would make a difference for a twin size?

Is that all?
Ya know Shena, there is so much more to a mattress than the information on the coils. This is a classic case of TMI, but just enough to be dangerous. Even with all that information, you wouldn't have the whole picture. And, you'll make yourself and everyone around you crazy in the process. Try to keep this in perspective...it's a twin mattress for a day bed. You don't need such specs as to recreate the pyramids of Giza.
To clear up one point, the coils in the Simmons are not tempered. The coils in the S&F are double tempered. If your back is telling you that it's happier with the support from the S&F, then that's the one you buy. The Harbor House is a good mattress too and less expensive, but offers a different type of support. The S&F is an individually pocketed coil that provides contouring support, while the Sealy Posturepedic uses an interlocked coil and offers a more rigid support.
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Simmons Beautyrest Black beds

Janice of Santa Clarita, writes:
Hi! We have done some shopping and found that we really liked the Simmons Beautyrest Black Perla bed. But we have not been able to find many reviews regarding this specific line. We have seen reviews regarding other Beautyrest lines and they don't always get the best ratings, especially in sagging or longevity. What do you know about the Black line and would you recommend it? We'd like to make sure that it's going to last if we are going to spend that much money.
Thanks so much!
Janice

Hi Janice. The Black line uses a different coil than the rest of the Simmons Beautyrests.
Normally, each coil is made of one wire. The Black line uses a "cable" wire, which is 3 wires wrapped around each other...giving it the look of a cable. It's their strongest coil unit.
Ask to see the specs for the types of padding used.

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Simmons Beautyrest Capri mattress

Victoria of Atlanta, GA, writes:
My husband and I are looking for a king mattress just 5 years after getting a Stearns and Foster that is sagging. We found Simmons Beauty Rest Capri and it feels wonderful. My husband really likes Temperpedic but worries about the sleeping "hot" comments. Is the Capri too new to know how it will last? Hate to keep spending too much and getting too litte.
 
Hi Victoria. The untempered coil of the Beautyrest and the memory foam in the Tempurpedic make them two of the worst choices on the market. Did you put in a warranty claim for your S&F? The line has recently been re-engineered and most of the memory foam and convoluted foams that they had been using, are no longer being used. You may not have to buy a new mattress.

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Simmons BeautyRest World Class mattresses

julie of bradenton, writes:
My husband and I are shopping for a new mattress.  We are getting confused because several feel close to the same but that is in the store.  My concern is once we get it home and have been on it for awhile.  We are planning to purchase a king for the first time and we are looking at Simmons BeautyRest World Class.  One is called Cape Horn and it has a pillow top and it is a Allergy Care mattress, of the other two World Class that we are looking at, one has a latex plush top and the other has a latex/memory foam plush top (name is Treasure ?).  The other brand we are looking at is the Stearns & Foster Camdenhurst Plush which also feels very nice.   We are not overweight people and average height.  I myself is having some pain at the pressure points such as the hip because I have always been a side sleeper.   We want to keep the cost $1700 or under and all the above I have found at that price. 
Just would like your expert opinion because of all the confusion with mattresses that  the mattresses I have mentioned are good mattresses even though I know it's really up to me as far as comfort.
Thank You for your time
Julie

Hi Julie. The coils in those Beautyrests are not tempered, while the coils in the S&F Camdenhurst are double tempered. The extra resiliency of a tempered steel coil will cause that mattress to last longer. The Camdenhurst is called Blisswood at our store. You should check for price before buying.

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Simmons Beautyrest Silver mattress

steve of Great Neck, writes:
Hi Peter, Steve here with the Sappy talk again. We took your advice regarding the pillow tops and went looking again at mattresses to look at the quilt top ones. The local Store had one which was very comfortable, the Simmons Beutyrest Silver for about $1600 all in. Do you know anything about this mattress in terms of plush feeling, no sag, longevity and limited motion transfer. Thanks for all your help

Ya know, Steve. My wife cries now, just at the mention of your name.
The Simmons Beautyrest uses non-tempered steel coils. Not being tempered, those coils tend to lose their shape easily. On average, you're looking at only a few years. They do feel great in the store. S&F has a new line using an individually pocketed coil and they feel really good too. But, the steel in their coils is double tempered. Also, you're shopping in one of the most expensive places to buy a mattress....contrary to all their advertising.

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A too firm Beautyrest mattress

Jeannie of Miami, writes:
I purchased a queen mattress in 2001 and I honestly dont remember the brand or make, but it was a two sided pillowtop and really no complaints. In 2007 we upgraded to a king size bed and I bought a King Koil Karisa mattress which we loved......for a little while. We started to get a hill in the middle between where we slept. I tried to do a claim on the warranty and were told that the depressions were only 1" and they had to be more than 1 1/2". Seeking a good nights sleep, I purchased a Simmons Beauty Rest World Class Oslo Visco Firm Mattress. I tried it in the showroom and it was firm, but bouncy and comfortable. I spent probably 15 minutes lying and sitting in it while talking with the sales person and in the time that he ran my credit. Cut to two days later, I get the mattress at home and all I had to do was put my knee on it and could tell it was not the same. I might as well be sleeping on the floor. So I call back Rooms to Go and spoke to the manager, he said that they are not in the business of taking back comfort returns or they would go out of business. But to give him until Sunday and if I still cannot take it, he would consider letting me select another mattress. Two questions, I was told that the reason the one in the store was so much softer was because people have lied on it and repeatedly tested it out. Is there really a "break in" period where it would become softer or more maleable? Secondly, I was looking at the Sealy Posturepedic Lake Anna which is considered to be a "cushion firm", do you think that this would be much better?? I am looking for a soft but supportive mattress, I am a stomach sleeper and like a somewhat plush mattress that I dont overly sink in and my husband prefers a firmer mattress. But I am afraid to get a pillow top or box top and end up with the cavernous depressions we got with our previous mattress. Any suggestions / recommendations would be REALLY appreciated!!

Hello Jeannie. First, there's the maintanence involved with a king. Because you tend to sleep farther apart in a king, the center remains like new, while wear patterns develop on either side. To insure a more even settling of the padding, a king must be rotated 1/4 turn every month for the first year. Otherwise, there's no getting around the "hump" in the middle of the bed...unless, of course, you add a third person. But THAT"S a whole other thing.
A freshly made mattress will tend to feel a little firmer than a well used floor sample, but the difference, while noticeable, shouldn't be dramatic. It does take time to break in a firmer mattress.
Comparing a Sealy Posturepedic, which coils are double tempered, to a Simmons Beautyrest, which coils aren't tempered at all...The Sealy has the stronger coil system. Cushion firm is a good compromise.

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