I recently came across your blog on-line. What a life saver! I am still a little confused so I am hoping you can help.
We have an Irresistible Cushion Firm that we purchased about a year ago from a mattress store for around $1000. My husbands back has slowly been getting worse since we purchased this mattress. He felt much better after we stayed in a hotel for a week. The hotel Ivy had a Sealy Posturepedic Palatial Crest Cushion Firm Pillowtop. Which of course you cannot purchase anymore....
Here is some information we receive from somewhere else before I found your website. Sealy renamed all of their hotel products three years ago.
The Palatial Crest mattress is now called the Monogram 800.
Here's a price quote for a Monogram 800 set: Sealy King Monogram 800 Cushion Firm Euro Pillowtop Mattress Set: $1,480
I was ready to buy because I am desperate to help my husband, then I came across your blog. It mentioned something about paying triple the price for the privilege on a monogram 800. What are your thoughts? Is this a good mattress?
One other consideration: we do not have a box spring since we have a platform bed. Does that help with back issues?
The major difference is in coil system.
The irresistible uses an individually pocketed coil unit. The coils in the Palatial Crest are interlocked, providing a more rigid base support.
In today's Sealy Posturepedic line, both coil systems are available.
Your husband's back is, obviously, reacting better to the interlocking coils.
Another problem you face is the pillowtop. Pillowtops wear out quickly, taking deep body impressions and becoming lumpy and easily out of shape...the nature of the beast.
It doesn't matter how well a mattress may be made, the pillowtop is a poor value. Read for yourself, the continual stream of complaints.
I have a more permanent solution for you. The Therapedic Keepsake Cameo Plush has the same coil system that is in that Palatial Crest. It is not a pillowtop, but has a very comfortable sleeping surface that does not lose its shape. It's an old fashioned, two-sided flappable mattress that will out-perform and out last anything that Sealy is making today.
Here is the link to that mattress. Delivery is free and there's no sales tax. The King mattress only sells for $1499.00 and is twice the mattress you can buy for about the same price.
Hi Pete, I have chronic neck pain and a bulging disc in my lower back. I have a serta inner spring mattress with a pillow top of memory foam. The bed is 4 yrs old. I hate it. Have had problems from early on. My shoulder hurts and arms and hands fall asleep. I'm a side sleeper. 5'8" 140-145 lbs. I have a true hourglass figure & it feels my back is breaking and hips hurt. My fiance is 6'4" 245 so his movement can easily wake me. Looked at tempurpedic, but at $3,000 I want to make sure. I need something that can support my curves without creating painful pressure points. I must sleep with a pillow between my knees as well.
Hi Brandy, The Tempurpedic is memory foam. It's a cinch that you can't expect a different result with the same material that's in the mattress you have now. Here's a link to the Q&A posts about memory foam. It will open your eyes, change your mind, and save you from throwing away $3000. http://mattressexpert.typepad.com/the_mattress_expert/memory_foam/
With all the hype and BS that swirls about in an effort to pluck money from your wallet, it's more useful to you to stick with the basics. A mattress needs to be firm to support your spine and muscles. It also has to have enough surface comfort to contour and relieve pressure points. Lots of mattresses do this, but few do it for long...like your Serta.
Your challenges are your hour glass figure, with the area under your hip being the first part of the mattress to wear on your side of the bed...and your husband's size. While not heavy for a man his height, it's still 245 lbs that needs to be supported. The padding on top of mattresses are: memory foam and poly foam, for the most part. The most resilient of the foams is latex. Latex is rubber and has always been the best material available. It then makes sense to add a layer of soft latex to a firmer mattress for the best long term result for both, support and comfort.
I do not recommend an all latex mattress because of your husband's size in conjunction with with all the disc problems.
Best for you, a good quality innerspring with that latex topper
Since you have $3000 to spend, you can afford the best of these combination sleep systems...and have a nice sum left over. Here is a link to the Simmons Beautyrest Black Ansleigh luxury firm mattress, which uses a triple strand wire in half of the coils. This "cable" coil is the strongest among one sided mattresses.
The individually pocketed coil system will give a little better at the hip and greatly reduce the motion transfer that you're experiencing now.
Also, a link to the latex toppers. You'll want the "soft" choice for the extra comfort, which will suit your shape. The topper will absorb your husband's body weight, which will add years of extra life to the mattress...and make for a long lasting and comfortable sleeping surface, without negating the underlying firm support.
I sleep on my side. For the last month or so wake up with shoulder and back pain. I toss and turn most of the night. I prefer firm for my back but not too much pressure on my shoulders.
The more research I do, the more I am confused. Pillow top? Plush? Euro? Which is firm/soft? My wife can sleep on any type mattress except the one I keep moving in.
Other than being too firm, the mattress we have is in good shape. I would like to spend around $800 for a new mattress. Please help. Louis
I have good news for you...in that the fix you seek won't cost you very much.
The firm mattress you have is what your back needs. Go with a softer mattress and you compound your problem.
The padding in the softer mattress will relieve you shoulder pain for only a short while. Once the poly foam compresses, the shoulder pain will return.
And, by that time, your back will begin to hurt you also.
A permanent solution is to add a 2" layer of soft Talalay Latex to the mattress you have. Your back will still have the support it needs, and the latex topper will relieve all of your pressure points, relax your muscles and provide both of you with a deeper, more restful sleep. Latex lasts a very long time.
My wife and I use the same latex topper at home. It's 5 years old and still like new...with each of us in the 220 pound range.
You pay a lot less for the latex mattress topper and realize a better result.
Here is the link to the latex mattress toppers. Delivery is free and there's no sales tax.
Dear Peter, A few days a go I sent you an email about either purchasing a Twila or a Recharge World Class. I am 220, male, still single, with some lower back and hip pain. Which is better? Do you carry them? I heard the Twila has changed at the box stores since tempurpedic bought them--is that true/should it now be avoided? Thanks so much, David
The Sealy/S&F factory, that we deal with, is the last remaining franchise operation. As such, they are always the last to complete a line change.
As of right now, I can order a Twila for you.
The line change started in January, so there is little time left to order a Twila...exactly how long, we don't know. We will be informed of that when it happens with no real warning.
We were told in January that we had a few months.
The new S&F models all have lots of memory foam. They are all to be avoided and we will not be selling those models.
I have been looking to replace a Stearns & Foster Regency Pillowtop mattress purchased in 1990. It has worn out, and I have been experiencing back and hip pain during the night.
I have scoliosis and a spinal fusion with steel rods, so a good mattress is a must, but I don't like a rock-hard mattress. My husband can sleep on anything.
Would you recommend a S&F for me again? I have been looking at the S&F latex models, but latex is new to me. Thanks! Diane
I would not recommend anything from S&F for you. I can understand your tendency to want to stay with that brand, considering how well you did the last time. However, the mattress industry, as a whole, has changed dramatically since your last purchase. Few of today's mattresses will last as long as the one you have....S&F, especially, is a poor value now that they are owned by Tempurpedic and are using so much memory foam in their mattresses.
Almost all of today's mattresses are one sided, unlike the one you have. And, yours has no memory foam. These to factors have worked together to make today's production line mattresses disposable...like so many other products we buy today. This may be hard for you to believe, given what you're used to, but you are lucky to get 5 years from today's mattresses...and much too often, fewer years than five.
An all natural, all latex mattress will last a very long time. However, what S&F offers in the way of latex is a combination of synthetic latex and poly foam...nowhere near the same quality.
A moot point, as people with the severity of back problems, as you have, don't seem to fare well on even the best of latex mattresses. They simply lack the stiffness necessary for proper support.
Your mattress was very hard. The hardness mitigated by the pillowtop. But, even the pillowtop part isn't made as well today as it was back then. Today, pillowtops are thicker and softer, using lower density poly foams to create a "luxury" feel...something that sells well, but doesn't keep its shape worth a damn.
I suggest you stay with something similar to what you have. I have a couple of two-sided, flippable mattresses that use the same coil system that your old S&F used.
To create the same surface feel, add a 2" soft Talalay latex topper to either of them. This sleep system combination will provide you the same support and comfort that your old mattress did...and last just as long...something you can't get in today's market at any store you may wander into.
I have learned so much from your blog which I have been reading the last two years. I am a 63 yr old female,5”8”, weight range 180 -200 depending on how diligent I am with exercise. I sleep on my left side. On a daily basis I awaken with moderate neck and left shoulder pain that now radiates to my elbow. I have begun to have some lower back pain as well. My current mattress is firm, sagging lumpy and at least 18 yrs old. Purchasing a new set is now a need not just a desire. I have saved $2000 towards this but can wait and continue to save if the best choice for me is over that amount.
My current set is an eastern king but I may decide to go to a queen as my husband of 30 years has expired.
I sincerely appreciate and am grateful for your guidance. The information in your blog prevented me from making a very bad decision on a mattress 2 years ago. I look forward to your advice.
There is a fairly large difference in price between a queen and a king. Given your circumstances, the queen is the prudent choice.
Latex mattresses are and have been the best you can buy...some, of which, costing many thousands of dollars.
I'm excited to be able to offer you an all natural, all latex mattress, that fits your needs to a tee...at a price that is less than the $2000 you have available now.
The catch is, that these mattresses are delivered UPS, so you will need someone on your end to give you a hand. The UPS delivery is a good part of why they are affordable.
In fact, we have one of these mattresses at home.
Made by Ever-Eden, this latex mattress has a 6" Dunlop Latex core. Dunlop is the most dense and most durable of all the latexes...excellent for support, especially important for a larger person.
It's topped with 3" of soft Talalay latex, which is unsurpassed for comfort, pressure point relief and muscle relaxation....and, it'll last you 20 years.
For neck pain, I'm recommending, from pure LatexBliss, an all latex mattress made of finely chopped latex. It is aptly named "Latex/Down", as it has feel of down. You can shape it and mold it to fit you any way your want. An all latex mattress is also extremely durable and lasts for many years. This particular pillow is the only one I've used that has significantly relieved the pain in my neck for the arthritis I've suffered with for so many years.
I have read your blog and really appreciated the recommendations you have given on it. I hope you can help us. My husband and I are lacking in the sleep dept. A little background: I am 5'5" 120 and mostly a side sleeper (a little on back) My husband is 5'10" 200 and is a back sleeper and some side. I often have trouble with pressure points of shoulders and hips, but oddly enough on pillowtops my back hurts and even my hips. My husband can't stand a sinking feeling of the pillowtops.
We currently have a Stearns and Foster Jacklyn luxury pillow top mattress. It smells awful. It is not comfortable to either of us. We have tried a tempurpedic cloud select bed and it also smelled bad and actually made me feel sick, plus it was very hot. We have slept on a sterns and foster joy plush before and seemed to work ok (not perfect but the best out of what we have tried) for both of us. I have looked for it and found that they no longer make that style. As I was doing my search I came across horror stories of how in 6 months to a year the beds break down and dip and many are unhappy. This lead me to your blog. It made me think of many options like do I get a firm (but how firm?)king bed with a topper (which one?)or even 2 twin extra long with a topper (as the sterns and foster had little motion but if we went with a strong innerspring bed it bounces your partner more). I also was wondering about the safety of the materials in these beds. Should we look at organic beds or is it not necessary. I know they are quite pricey. We really could use your educated advice.
Your problems stem from the lousy materials used in most of today's mattresses. It's the memory foam that smells bad. Memory foam consists of 61 chemicals and some of them are toxic. You mattress is off-gassing those toxic chemicals and that is what is making you sick. It's a real health hazard.
That model was S&F's most popular, as it was the most comfortable...the memory foam and pillowtop combining to provide that comfort. However, the materials used to make it feel that way are of poor quality and not at all resilient enough to last ant length of time. They are great for "making the sale" and little else. They compress easily and you sink through them, which creates the pressure points at the hip and shoulder. The lack of 'push back' support is what gives you the back ache. The Tempurpedic you had is equally as dangerous and worthless for all the same reasons. The S&F Joy model had no memory foam. The new line is now out and the Joy model no longer exists. All of the new S&F models now have plenty of memory foam.
What your body requires is good firm support that pushes up against you to support your spine...and, a cushiony surface to relieve pressure points, blood flow, and relax your muscles. These attributes combine to provide the quality of sleep that you were expecting in the beginning. Substitute high quality materials for the low quality materials you bought, and you'll have what you want, that will last for many years.
When it comes to upholstery materials, nothing is as comfortable or as resilient and durable as Talalay Latex.
Talalay Latex is available "Natural" at 70% natural and 30% synthetic. The synthetic latex is a molecular clone of natural latex and no toxic chemicals are used to make it. It's perfectly safe.
However, if you want to go for organic, all natural Talalay Latex is 100% natural with zero chemicals and zero fillers. We have both available.
If going organic, you would have to go with an all latex mattress, which can be pricey. Even so, it's a whole lot cheaper to use than than what you've purchased, due to how long it lasts.
Another option is an innerspring mattress with a latex topper, which mimics the feel and costs less. Granted, it doesn't last as long as all latex, but you will get excellent longevity and value.
Again, unlike those you have purchased.
Your concern is about motion reduction, (not feeling your partner move in the bed). All latex is very good for that. The best innerspring for that is the Simmons Beautyrest. And while Simmons uses memory foam in their mattresses, it isn't the same memory foam. Initially, they called it "Next Generation" or "NxG" memory foam and have since changed what they call it a couple of times...looking for something that sounds meaningful without sounding like a Star Trek episode. Regardless of what it's called, it doesn't have any of the negative health effects of regular memory foam. Also, it is much less temperature sensitive than regular memory foam and far more resilient. But, like any memory foam...even the plant based memory foam that is 100% safe, it lacks 'push back'. That's where the latex topper comes in. My wife and I sleep on a Beautyrest and we use a latex topper with it. The latex provides the 'push back', as well as additional comfort and longevity.
Like your S&F model, the Simmons Beautyrest uses an individually pocketed coil system. But, there are differences between them. The pockets on the Simmons Beautyrest are sealed together near the center, which allows the coils to move more independently from one another than with the S&F, where the pockets are sealed at the top and bottom. The barrel shape of the coil aides in this and the pre-compression of the coils add to the 'push back' your spine needs, (a 9" coil in a 7" pocket). Not even foam is better at reducing motion transfer.
If going this route, we recommend the starting model in the World Class Series, in luxury firm, for people your size....adding 2" of soft Talalay Latex to that for all the support and comfort your body needs...and a sleep system that will be comfortable and safe to sleep on for many years to come.
Here are some links to follow....to the latex mattresses, and that particular Beautyrest mattress and latex topper. The toppers we use are 100% All-Natural Talalay Latex....the best.
Delivery is free and there's no sales tax. You can order on line or by phone. Let me know if you have any further questions.
My wife loved the Simmons Beautyrest Westbury mattress at the Grand Hyatt hotel in Kauai. The mattress was obviously a few years old. What is the equivalent model today as I know the names are constantly changed? Thanks, Paul
Simmons makes their mattresses in a choice of comfort...plush, firm and luxury firm.
If your wife loved it, I'm going to have to guess that it was a plush model.
In a hotel, where a mattress gets limited use, a plush model can last a few years or longer.
In a master bedroom, where it is used every night, you'll be lucky to get a few years out of it.
The difference between the plush and firm models is the gauge of wire used for the coils....13.75 gauge for the firm and 15.5 for the plush.
These are fractional numbers, so the higher the number, the thinner the wire.
The plush models feel really good initially, but lose their shape and support much too quickly.
The time it will last will depend on the pressure exerted against it. (Your body weight). The less you weigh, the longer it lasts...and visa-versa.
If you are a couple of light weights, 4 or 5 years is all you can expect...a couple of years at average body weight and a year for heavier people.
What we recommend for good support, a comfortable sleeping surface and longevity that makes your purchase have value, is a luxury firm model topped with a 2" soft Talalay latex topper.
Latex is the key to the long lasting comfort you want, while the firmer mattress provides excellent support.
What makes a Simmons Beautyrest such a nice bed, is the individually pocketed coils, which provide contouring support that is designed to maintain your spines natural alignment.
The plush models with the thin gauge wire, simply give out too easily, which compromise the support and cause back pain.
The Westbury was a World Class model, (discontinued). The closest to it is the World Class Annapolis Place. Here are links to that mattress and to the latex mattress toppers.
You can order on line or by phone. White Glove Delivery is free and there's no sales tax.
Advice please :) Hi. I have a queen-sized mattress manufactured by 'Star Bedding.' The label reads 'Parisienne Foam, Pillow Soft.' I don't have a box spring below the mattress: it lies on a frame consisting of 3.5 inch wooden slats running vertically, 4.5 inches spaced from each other. No foot or head board. The mattress is probably nearing 15 years old. This has worked fine until recently. I'm a 44 year old female, side sleeper, 5'3", 112 lbs. I don't have a sleeping partner right now, but that could change. I have had some health issues lately, being bed bound for several weeks, losing a significant amount of weight, feeling generally unwell, and losing sleep. I have spinal stenosis in my neck that predates this. However, my most significant pain right now is in my hips, buttocks, and upper thighs. When I wake up, my low-mid back is often quite stiff. I think I have lost some 'natural padding' in my trunk. I have mild bursitis in these areas. Arthritis is being ruled out. I am doing different things to address these issues. But I believe I need a different sleeping arrangement. I have recently added a very thick and pillowy sleeping bag on top of the mattress which helped somewhat, but sags too much and is hot. I don't want a mattress or topper that creates more heat. And I need something I can purchase or obtain in Toronto, Canada without excessive shipping costs. I'm interested in any advice you have. Thank you kindly, Emily.
Hi Emily, I have just the thing. All natural latex has a nice soft surface feel that doesn't allow you to sink too far...and, it sleeps cool. White Glove delivery is free and there's no sales tax. The feel of latex will be similar to what you've been used to, but new. It relieves all of your pressure points and relaxes the muscles, which will produce the kind of night's sleep you're looking for.
Copy and paste the above link to get to those mattresses.
The Level 1 models are plant based poly/latex hybrids and all you'll need at your size. The Level 2 models are all latex and more expensive as a result. The Columbia plush and Blossom plush are what will feel the best to you.
You can order them on line or by phone. The prices you see are complete...nothing to add.
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Two years ago I purchased a Stearns & Foster Lucas Park Luxury Firm Queen Mattress from your company. I'm moving into a larger home and will need to purchase a second mattress for a guest room. I'm considering putting the two-year old mattress in the guest room and buying a new one for myself. The Lucas Park that I purchased has been fine, but I'm a side sleeper and while I sleep with a body pillow, I've been experiencing problems with my sacrum and lower back because of the angle of my hips while I sleep. Would a softer mattress help with this problem? Thanks for any recommendations.
Yes. A softer sleeping surface will alleviate your pain and give you a more comfortable and deeper night's sleep.
But, no. A softer mattress is not the way to go about getting what you want. The softer mattress uses materials that break down quickly. While initially more comfortable, softer mattresses lose their shape and comfort far too soon. However, there is a way to get what you want and have it be a long term solution for you.
The Lucas Park luxury firm, (now called Twila), gives you long lasting support. Add to that 2" of soft Talalay latex and you'll have what you want without sacrificing the firm support your spine needs. Latex is far more comfortable than the foams typically used to make a mattress softer....and far more resilient. Its superior resiliency, not only causes it to last for many years, but adds years of life to the mattress that it wouldn't get on its own, by absorbing much of your body weight.
Adding the soft latex topper to what you have will save you a lot of money. Compare the cost.
Queen soft Talalay Latex mattress topper - $350
Queen set of bedding for your spare room, (well made enough for occasional use), $849.00
Putting yours in the spare room and getting the same mattress you have, but softer, $1599.00
Not only is it $400 more, the new mattress you'll buy won't last more than a couple/few years because of the poor resiliency of the soft foams....making it even more expensive long term.
Here are the links to the latex toppers and to the mattress we most often recommend for a spare room....The Beautyrest Classic Flatbrook in luxury firm.
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