We have a platform bed, for which we purchased the Sealy PP Concierge Club cushion firm mattress in 2010.
Only a few years in it became uncomfortable, and now after only 5 years the mattress has deep sags...despite the fact that we are fit and slight people.
I'm in the 125 pound range. I wake up with a bad back every morning now.
I want to believe that I can find a mattress solution from you that is affordable and will not break down after only a few years.
I did like very much the experience I had in purchasing from you in the past. What firm mattress would you suggest?
Are there any lower priced 2-sided firm mattresses that are worth buying, if paired with a latex topper? Thanks, Joanne
Hi Joanne, And therein lies the problem. After mattresses went one sided, their usable life expectancy was cut in half. 5 years is about all most people can reasonably expect from a name brand, one sided mattress today...less than that for many. The latex topper is a real buy...more than paying for itself by extending the comfort life of any mattress you use under it...not to mention the long lasting surface comfort it provides. I do carry a line of two-sided mattresses that are reasonably priced, using a very strong coil unit and upholstered with good quality poly foam...and containing no memory foam. Use a 2" latex topper with any of these Wolf mattresses, and you'll have a much longer lasting product than you do now. Wolf is a very old family owned mattress manufacturer in the Midwest, (Established in 1873 and owned by the same family all this time). The mattresses ship via FedEx, which goes a long way to keeping the cost down. Here are links to those Wolf Mattresses, and to the latex topper.
I weigh 105, have lower back issues and now shoulder blade pain. I had a Sealy euro plush pillow top for six years. It got a sag. I tried a plush Beautyrest Recharge, too firm. Just purchased a Beautyrest recharge pillow top. After a week, my shoulders hurt again. This is getting expensive. What do I need? I am the only one in the bed.
Hi Vic, You need what you had. You jumped the gun on that exchange. Given your light frame, it will take a little time for a mattress to break in under your weight. You should have kept that non-pillowtop model. Pain in the shoulder blade area is a sure sign that the mattress is too soft. If I had to pick a mattress for you, from what we offer, it would be the Wolf Adara mattress...pocketed coils, like the Beautyrest and upholstered with all natural latex. shown here: https://themattressexpert.com/our-brands/wolf-mattresses/wolf-hybrid-mattress/
I bought a in February 2014. I have a very bad back and I bought the Sealy name because they were reputable.
Now, less than two years later this mattress hurts my back so bad, that it isn't funny.
It has completely broken down and I can feel every spring in my lower back area and it makes me numb in my posterior.
I won't buy another Sealy product as long as I live. I contacted the store where I bought it and they came out. They said it didn't have any catastrophic damage and wouldn't do anything about it..
What is the warranty on this thing? It never has been comfortable since day one.
Thanks for letting me rant, Carol
Your mistake is, now, a common one....buying a name you once were able to trust. All of the major, "Name Brands", have gone bad over the last 10-15 years. After having spent decades producing high quality mattresses, they have gone the way of many of our nation's "trusted" industry names...now producing products that purposefully fail quickly, so that you buy more frequently than you would have in the years prior. Two sided flippable mattresses are now one sided. But, the component most responsible for this lowering of quality is "Memory Foam". If you want to have a successful purchase, avoid mattresses that have memory foam in them. This product is intentionally meant to be deceptive. Besides being a lousy product, in terms of performance, its toxic chemical make up, makes it a health hazard as well...as if simply being a lousy product weren't enough.
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I have done lots of research and have narrowed down my search. I just need some confirmation that I'm going in the right direction.
I'm thinking of a Simmons Beautyrest World Class Santorini luxury firm mattress, and a 2" soft latex topper.
We need firm for my husband. We are both side sleepers. Trying to find a mattress within our budget.
We can spend around $2500, total.
Would this be your recommendation?
Hi Laura, With a king 2" latex topper running $400 to $450, the Simmons Beautyrest Recharge World Class Santorini mattress is among your best choices at that $2500 price...including the latex topper The latex topper is the key to longevity along with a firm mattress under it. So yes, you definitely have the right idea for comfort and support that lasts.
We've sold this sleep system combination, countless times over the years. We have yet to experience a complaint...not a one.
Here are the links to those products. Delivery is free and there's no sales tax.
Hi Peter, Between the Simmons Black and the Therapedic Medi-Coil two sided mattresses, is one built in such a manner as to hold up longer before breaking down, given that my husband and I are very heavy?
We each weigh in excess of 300 lbs. We would be using a latex topper for comfort on either mattress.
I understand from your previous response, that will help to extend the life of the mattress. Amy
Hi Amy, Yes. The latex topper will extend the life of any mattress you use under it.. It also provides long lasting comfort...comfort that is also extraordinary, compared to other types of foam. Our double sided Therapedic Medi-Coil mattresses were specifically made to last much longer, under heavy body weight, than any of the one sided models.
Even though the Simmons Black is the best of those, I don't recommend them for anyone over 250 lbs.
Here are links to the two-sided Medi-Coil models, and to the latex toppers. I suggest going with the 3" Soft Vytex Dunlop Latex Topper.
Thanks Pete for the quick response. I’m guessing since you don’t carry the lower end Simmons for kids that Pottery Barn or Land of Nod carry that you would not recommend those mattresses, correct? I was looking at the Wolf Adara since that seems to be what you have been recommending for toddler girls, but my only concern is that I have never really heard of them before or seen any customer reviews on them. Its hard to purchase a mattress that I’ve never sat on before. Is is pretty firm? I’m finding that the Simmons plush ones also seem a little too soft for a child. The coil density is also less on the Adara but perhaps the way it is constructed is different so it isn’t comparing apples to apples. I read your blog a few years ago when you recommended the Lumberton which is why I have been pretty much considering Simmons up to this point, but your more recent blog posts have me rethinking and taking a chance on getting a bed I can’t test out! :)
First off, concerning yourself with recommendations that I might have made years ago, is a total waste of your time. The factories change their lines every couple of years. The specifications change...and so do my recommendations, based on those changes and whatever else may be available over the passing years. Also, you're going to want to avoid jumping to conclusions.
It's difficult to buy a mattress, especially when there is no one to trust.
And quite frankly, trusting your own senses is also a mistake.
If you limit yourself to only those mattresses that you can physically test, your choices will most be mattresses that are filled with the very deceptive memory foam.
Most stores are a sea of mattresses laden with memory foam, designed to be comfortable enough to "Make the Sale", but are basically worthless a very short time later...not to mention the chemical off gassing.
The vast majority of truly high quality mattresses are available only on line.
You seem to be between a rock and a hard place, when it comes to how you intend to base your decision.
Under these circumstances, my recommendation to you, is to go directly into doing your own research. Know the specification of the mattresses you're considering, understand what the materials are and base your decision on the quality of the materials being used. This way, you won't have to take anyone's word for anything.
And, I promise you, once you have a fuller understanding of what's what, you won't want to shop at any of the mattress stores.
Here's a link to the Wolf hybrid mattresses you asked about...the Adrian & Adara models...consisting of coils and all natural latex. ...a good place to start your research.
I am looking at 2 mattresses locally and I fell in love with the Beautyrest Pillow Top Black Kate at one of the high-end retail stores...very comfy and like laying on a cloud.
I recently stayed in a hotel that had Simmons Beautyrest World Class Cape Breton and wanted that same feel in a bed at home. Best sleep I have had in a long time.
But in my search I have found several motels to give me that laying on a cloud feeling.
A shop locally has mattresses at a good price, they might be discontinued models or returns, or a shipping defect which now allows me to afford the Black version, otherwise I am looking at $3000 plus which I just can't afford to spend on a mattress at this time.
The other mattress that I found that I really like is Beautyrest Legend Luxury Plush Super Pillow Top. It was like what I wanted, very very soft, sink in and the bed just hugged me. Dream feeling.
The only bed that the warehouse has currently in the black version is luxury firm. It was soft to the touch but yet firm, the word firm kind of scared me away since my current bed feels like a rock.
The guy at the warehouse said he does not know when he will get in the Black Kate Plush Pillow top that I am really wanting so I was leaning toward the Legend for the cloud comfort feeling.
Either way I plan to get a latex topper to help with the issues with the pillowtops and the wear/sinking I am a light sleeper/side sleeper and I get hip/back/etc aches on my mattress now that is firm, like sleeping on the floor.
I just toss and turn and so tired in the mornings.
I love the cloud feeling of the Legend, but in years to come, will I hate it as it get too soft? I might love today but hate in a year or so. It can only get softer after wear right?
Even though the Beautyrest Black luxury firm, is not quiet as soft as the Black Kate plush pillow top, would I be better to get the luxury firm and put the latex topper on it and actually have a better designed bed that will last longer?
It should get a little softer with use. And with a latex topper that will make it more comfy to what I want.
I am 5'6 and 149lbs. size 8-10. Husband is app. 5'8 and weight 170lbs...build small, 30 waist, 32 length. Both side sleepers.
Any advise would be helpful. I am not looking to buy a mattress that I hate in a year or so.
A Black Beautyrest is far more mattress than you need, at your sizes.
The Warehouse store is selling factory returns. These are no new mattresses. When mattresses are returned to the factory as being defective, they are then loaded on a truck and sold as a trailer load for pennies on the dollar to stores like this.
Rarely is the defect simply cosmetic. For the most part, they have been in someone's home, and returned due to some sort of defect.
Buying at clearance stores and warehouses, you'll end up with someone else's problems...usually.
The beauty of the Beautyrest is the individually pocketed coils, which move independently from one another. The contouring support it provides maintains the natural alignment of the spine.
There's nothing wrong with going after a cloud like feel. It does, however, become a problem when the materials producing that feel, don't hold up. Then, you're just wasting your money.
To get the feel you want and have it last for the years needed to get your money's worth, this would be my recommendation.
The Mattress: Simmons Beautyrest World Class Santorini in luxury firm...shown here:
I'm a big man, 6'0" 260 lbs., (all the extra weight is in gut). I have DDD & Shoulder pain when sleeping on my side.
The only mattress that I wake with ZERO pain is Marriott & Residence inn's hotel mattresses.
I am pretty sure it is their innerspring version but I am not sure. All I know is, they are very firm. My wife is 5'9 160 lbs. (The extra weight is in her butt & thighs).
She is perfectly comfortable on all mattresses but slightly prefers softer ones but needs wedge pillow for acid reflux. Because of her acid reflux I think that a adjustable would be nice but a solid firm for my back is more important.
I've purchased a number of mattresses and always try to save money, by buying a cheaper mattress.
Every time I am disappointed. Given the number of times a year that I stay at Marriott, I always kick myself for saving a couple dollars an not just getting what has always felt good.
Because of that I'm not sure why I am even considering anything else but for some reason here I am, looking for assistance from somewhere other than Marriott. So what mattress do you suggest?
Hi Phil, First, lets talk about an adjustable bed base. These have very little therapeutic value. They are quite expensive and it's a lot to spend on something where all your wife needs is a slight elevation to the upper body...which is easily and cheaply had by using that foam wedge. Also, you'll find that a mattress as firm as you need it to be, will not flex easily with the adjustable base.
The thing about today's mattresses, that wears so poorly, is the memory foam. That junk is used extensively for the sole purpose of deceiving the consumer. Initially, memory foam can be quite comfortable. However, the comfort and support it provides is lost in very short order, forcing the consumer to buy again and again. Even after losing its comfort and support, memory foam will return to its original shape when you get off of the mattress...or, close enough to it, so that you will not prevail in a warranty claim. THIS, is the diabolical part of memory foam. And, as if all that wasn't enough, it sleeps hot and is a health hazard...off gassing the toxic chemicals from which it's made. Chemicals like, Formaldehyde and Benzene...just to name 2 of the 61 chemicals used.
Avoiding memory foam will go a long way in having a much more successful purchase than what you've been used to.
That said, you came to the right place, as we specialize in high quality mattresses that have NO MEMORY FOAM in them. An all latex mattress is, and for the last 100 years, has been the best you can buy...but, they are expensive. I would have you consider using a latex topper to soften the surface of a firm mattress....giving you the support you need and the comfort your wife wants. 2" of soft Talalay latex will take some of the pressure off of your shoulder, without sacrificing the firm support of the mattress.
Here is a link to a page that showcases two-side mattresses that you can flip...like in the old days. They are all good choices for you, with a variety of price points. Also, I am including a link to our latex toppers. Delivery is free and there's no sales tax.
It's been a couple of weeks, and I really like the Natura all natural Boudolay plush latex mattress. I have noticed that when I go to sleep I stay asleep and usually don't toss and turn like I did before.
Thanks for recommending this mattress to me.
That's great!...the beauty of latex.
Adding a 2" soft Talalay latex topper to the luxury firm Beautyrest Ultra "River Song" mattress, that you asked about for your mom, will produce similar results....but, not as long lasting as all latex.
Hi Pete: I hope you had a nice holiday.. I received my topper on 11/10.. After several days, I did notice a big difference..no more neck, shoulder, and arm pain. However, my sciatica is still bad when I get out...
Laura writes: Hi Pete I have done lots of research and have narrowed down my search. I just need some confirmation that I'm going in the right direction. I'm thinking of a Simmons Beautyrest World Class Santorini luxury firm mattress,...